ZÜRICH

• You, Kamil... sorry, Eugen,00:00:08.000
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• you, Eugen, wanted to share your experience from the exhibition.00:00:13.001
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• You mean my exhibition?00:00:17.002
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• No, Eva's exhibition.00:00:19.003
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• Oh... it was just before Zurich.00:00:22.004
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• I then took my psychiatrist to Eva's exhibition and00:00:26.005
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• we were looking at Untitled no. 5, her last work prior to Zurich,00:00:30.006
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• and my psychiatrist told me, look, is she aware of her ilness?00:00:36.007
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• Did she know, as she painted it, that she was sick?00:00:41.008
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• Get it? She didn't know her, but she saw the painting and knew.00:00:45.009
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• The ilness was already there, even befor Eva got ill.00:00:52.010
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• Emotions - comotions. You see?00:00:56.011
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• What are you trying to say?00:00:59.012
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• I'm saying that while I doubt, fight it, get treatment, go to the therapy,00:01:02.013
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• while I'm searching for meaning, it's meaningful.00:01:06.014
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• But if I get content with the fact that I'm an aging, balding old man00:01:09.015
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• who doesn't want to serch, explore, then I might as well give it all up.00:01:15.016
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• Sure. So if somebody like Spielberg00:01:21.017
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• didn't get treatment for his obsessions, if he weren't fixated on his mother,00:01:26.018
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• he would have never made Psycho.00:01:32.019
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• What?00:01:34.020
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• That is the question.00:01:35.021
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• Look, Eva lived with me, at my place, for several years00:01:38.022
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• and at the start of our cohibition, we had set some rules.00:01:42.023
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• But soon, she started breaking them, and that's the problem.00:01:45.024
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• You go in her room and i's all smoke, mess, smell...00:01:51.025
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• Soot.00:01:56.026
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• - Please, Do not interrupt me, ok?00:01:57.027
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• Garbage.00:01:58.028
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• There you have a person absolutely unable to manage everyday situations.00:01:59.029
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• And do you have a particular example?00:02:03.030
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• One time, I sent her to pick up my dress from dry-cleaning.00:02:08.031
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• She had the ticket, cash, address, everything.00:02:12.032
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• But she couldn't do it.00:02:16.033
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• She stood out the front for fifteen minutes and then came home.00:02:18.034
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• Without a dress on?00:02:22.035
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• Without my dress, of course.00:02:24.036
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• But that doesn't surprise me.00:02:28.037
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• You are completely useless in life, but at the same time00:02:32.038
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• you have exhibitions in the best galleries.00:02:36.463
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• I don't know what's better - to be able to deal with you own life00:02:38.786
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• or to create great art.00:02:41.346
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• I don't understand why it's impossible to do both.00:02:44.487
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• Have you ever considered suicide, Anna?00:02:48.113
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• What?00:02:50.513
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• What's this got to do with anything? We're talking about Eva.00:02:52.475
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• - I'm sorry, maybe now is not the time. - No, it's not!00:02:56.217
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• Id rather move on.00:02:58.714
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• Anna, you had, for some time, lived with a famous,00:03:01.369
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• but already then mentally unstable woman.00:03:06.530
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• But Eva wasn't always like that.00:03:10.579
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• Most of all, Eva was a beautiful woman.00:03:13.498
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• Many times she'd complain that men perceive not what00:03:15.627
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• she wants to say but her looks, her beauty.00:03:18.851
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• Definitely not me, and I say this as a man00:03:21.547
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• and I love beautiful women, but... I dont want to rambe00:03:24.285
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• here about some energies, but with Eva, that's how it was.00:03:29.699
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• I know, she once told me that she'll make you suffer00:03:33.956
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• precisely because she knows how much you desire her.00:03:36.339
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• I mean it in a good way, no need to get offended.00:03:40.332
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• Eva told me you've always helped her a lot.00:03:44.221
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• That while other men looked at her cleavage,00:03:47.094
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• you looked her straight in the eyes.00:03:49.076
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• Yeah, she said...00:03:52.294
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• She said... Perhaps she did...00:03:53.853
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• I admit it was at times difficult to look her straight in the eye...00:03:57.477
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• We're talking here about Eva's beauty, yes, she was,00:04:03.254
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• but Eva was brilliantly intelligent, incredibly intelligent.00:04:07.078
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• Unbearably intelligent.00:04:10.264
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• She didn't promote herself, didn't demean herself.00:04:12.198
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• She didn't have to, because that was who she was,00:04:14.111
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• unlike other female artists, who constantly complain,00:04:16.273
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• that they can't, aren't able to...00:04:20.230
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• Hold on, but of course, because art is judged by men.00:04:22.087
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• Not me.00:04:24.792
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• Ok, we know all this.00:04:26.839
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• I don't make no judgements.00:04:28.474
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• Please let's get back to your personal relationship to Eva.00:04:32.321
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• Sorry, but I can't separate the personal relationship from the professional,00:04:40.387
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• for me, it is a single theme, I could say,00:04:47.249
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• after Zurich, the theme of my life, Eva, her works,00:04:50.674
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• mainly her late ones, because I don't know about you,00:04:55.361
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• but when I look at it I get goosebumps, shivers...00:04:58.675
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• It just paralyzes you, doesn't it?00:05:05.994
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• ... it touches me, makes me unable to move.00:05:08.355
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• For me, she's basically a beautiful visionary.00:05:11.234
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• That's curious, becasue for me, there are two separate things00:05:14.939
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• My personal relationship with Eva, when I go see her exhibition,00:05:18.674
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• what's it got to do with it? I don't reminesce.00:05:23.437
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• Just don't get hysterical.00:05:27.580
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• And what is it about?00:05:30.948
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• Now we're at the core of this debate. What's it about?00:05:34.732
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• This is a killer question, what's it about, now?00:05:39.630
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• Are you testing me or something?00:05:42.620
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• Wait, sorry, I believe you should be able to00:05:50.094
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• briefly describe what your works are about.00:05:53.511
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• You don't always hang out with artists, you meet normal people, too,00:05:56.661
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• and to those you should be able to explain what is it about.00:06:00.262
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• Thank God I see some normal people, too, other than the artists,00:06:06.568
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• or I'd go nuts. Thanks to you.00:06:09.958
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• Of course, those who seek...00:06:13.224
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• Will find00:06:15.648
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• ...find, yeah, if you look deep down...00:06:17.535
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• Look, you want me to describe a person in five minutes,00:06:20.039
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• that's not possible, that's what the tourists do, at Louvre, the Japanese.00:06:22.104
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• I just wanted to know if it's simply possible to describe.00:06:28.057
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• It's not.00:06:31.809
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• You write about her the whole time,00:06:35.112
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• now, I was told, you're even working on a book...00:06:37.834
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• - I told you that. - What?00:06:40.866
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• - It was me. - Shut up!00:06:42.690
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• ...even a book, so could you be so nice and describe it to us.00:06:45.210
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• In your won words. Yes, you. Go on.00:06:48.930
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• Ok, so I think that...00:06:51.691
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• It would be appropriate for you to say something.00:06:54.235
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• Eugen, come on...00:06:55.667
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• - What? - Hes always interrupting00:06:56.913
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• I basically think that Eva was never concerned with making an impression00:06:58.770
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• and despite that, her influence was huge.00:07:03.284
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• Many artwororks today closely resemble hers, and nobody understands them anyway.00:07:06.898
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• Nobody knows what her aim was. I don't know, I just cant express it.00:07:11.125
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• - You can't? - No.00:07:17.266
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• But you lived with her prior to Zurich, in a room, at our place.00:07:19.194
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• I think that everybody has lived with Eva for a time.00:07:25.014
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• But you, before Zurych!00:07:27.244
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• But after Zurich, I re-evaluated everything00:07:28.723
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• and I began to ask myself whether the fact that Zurich happened00:07:31.741
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• is a logical conclusion of Eva's life, or whether it's a coincidence.00:07:36.597
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• Would you please tell me why is it so important?00:07:40.975
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• If that didn't happen to her, something else would.00:07:43.719
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• - No, because that's the point - Oh, that's the point, is it?00:07:46.093
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• When they called from Zurich, what were your immediate feelings?00:07:49.102
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• What was your first reaction?00:07:51.760
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• I don't know, what I felt, a normal human reaction00:07:53.141
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• But what?00:07:56.655
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• I don't know, i don't remember, perhaps I've forgotten,00:07:59.870
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• but for me, it's not important what the reaction was,00:08:02.631
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• mine, Anna's or yours, for me, it's what happened to Eva that counts.00:08:05.681
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• - Ok, I'll make it easier. - Please, do.00:08:11.745
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• Do you think it's necessary for some Zurich to take place in an artist's life?00:08:13.833
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• Zurich take place? can you explain to me what you mean? Zurich happens?00:08:20.016
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• I just don't get it.00:08:28.146
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• Look, I'm not enjoying this any more.00:08:32.042
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• Eugen, what are you doing?00:08:36.049
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• I will strip naked here, if it'll help you.00:08:37.673
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• - What? - Come on, don't do this.00:08:40.097
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• What? It's boring here the whole time, so...00:08:44.931
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• - Could you stop it, please? - No, why should I?00:08:50.443
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• This will be the only thing in this show that people will be able to understand.00:08:53.164
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• - How fat he is. - I just need...00:08:59.324
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• I just... wanted to continue with our talk00:09:05.427
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• becasue it helps me... - Helps you00:09:12.933
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• ... yes, because I want to find out whether, if Zurich hadn't happended,00:09:16.019
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• and Eva could be sitting here with us today,00:09:21.005
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• if you would perceive her works in the same way,00:09:25.603
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• or whether something would be different?00:09:28.748
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• Of course not. Why would it? They would have the same power,00:09:31.390
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• with or without the dry-cleaning, Zurich or not.00:09:35.935
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• Right?00:09:44.751

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